Fight Dealer Markups

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  1. Wizard of Iz

    Wizard of Iz Full Access Member

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    RacerX posted a video on YouTube earlier today encouraging people to sign his Change.org petition to start putting pressure on the manufacturers to stop dealers from charging the ridiculous markups that are becoming way too common.

    Take a look and sign it if you're so inclined.

    https://chng.it/wr6VVjBFZC


    If you'd like to see his YouTube video ... here's a link:

     
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    I signed the petition. Manufacturers have to see that buyers will no longer stand for dealer price gouging.
     
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    I signed it too, just didn't appreciate all the garbage pages that came up afterwards to send money, share with others, etc. Easy enough to get out of though. :)
     
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    Some buyers ask why can't manufacturers sell direct to the public?

    Back in the day, dealer franchises were a great idea for manufacturers. The dealer assumed a massive amount of financial liability that would have otherwise cut into the profits of the manufacturer. As more dealers came around, states began codifying protection for them. A good deal of this protection was intended to be from the very manufacturers they represented.

    In recent years, shifts in the market and buying habits of consumers have made it smarter and cheaper for manufacturers to sell direct. However, these state laws still exist and are fought for tooth and nail by dealer associations. Many local law makers agree that eliminating these laws would be bad for the consumer, the economy, or both.

    Now, though, these laws are being challenged by the wealthy manufacturers in ways that many state and local politicians cannot defend against. They see dealers as vestigial antiquities hindering their profits by driving production numbers to support inventory levels. So, they come with the big guns, like Tesla has been trying, and offer thousands of jobs in the form of plants on the condition that the laws are overturned.

    Supporters of the laws argue that manufacturers cannot provide the comprehensive support after the sale that a dealer can, or that this opens up the opportunity for fraudsters to create mock websites to sucker people into thinking they are buying direct. Many even demand protection since they see themselves as multigenerational pillars of their communities.
     
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    Dealers exist due to offering financing. Who would buy from a dealer if they didn't need financing?
     
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    I am looking at that page right now.
    Well, I tried to but it didn't show page as existing.
    But, I believe it. Cars can be better financed by just getting the loan for a private sale instead of leaning on a dealer.
     
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    Here is the complete article:


    A Bank Car Loan: The Cheapest Option?

    Getting a bank car loan will have several key advantages over other loan options, but it is not always the cheapest choice. Bank car loans usually have better terms than dealer loans. However, dealers have more incentives to offer you a low interest rate, and this typically makes them cheaper over time.

    Bank Car Loan Term Advantages

    Bank car loans typically hold the better hand in relation to the loan terms. Loan terms can apply to any number of long-term arrangements in your contract, such as prepayment penalties, delinquency fees and collections procedures. Banks usually have lower prepayment fees than dealers; so, if you pay off your loan early or refinance the loan in the future you will not face as large of a fee. Delinquency fees may occur if you are late on your car payment. Typically, these are much greater if your loan is from a dealer. A dealer will usually send your loan into collections much faster than a bank. When a loan goes into collections, you will see your credit score drop rapidly.

    Dealer Interest Rate Advantages

    Dealers have a number of incentives to offer you a lower interest rate. They would like to make the car sale, first, but they would also like you to elect their financing option. In this way, the dealer can profit twice through one sale. In order to entice you toward this situation, dealers will often offer lower than prime interest rates on car loans. They may even offer to knock a few thousand dollars off the sticker tag if you finance through them. Ultimately, achieving a lower interest rate will make your loan much less expensive, and dealer options are worth considering.

    Alternative Lender Advantages

    There are more lenders available than just banks or dealers. Online car lenders are very popular today because of the way they expedite loan contracts and quotes. You can search for online car lenders very quickly, often finding guaranteed loan offers despite your credit score. You may also seek independent financier options. For example, there are many non-finance companies that extend car loans to make a profit. Both online lenders and independent lenders tend to serve the part of the market that cannot get a car loan through traditional means. Bad credit borrowers may find loans here, but they will usually come with higher interest rates and worse loan terms than traditional offers.

    Which Option Is Best?

    Depending on your unique credit history and loan needs, different options will be better for you.

    • A bank loan is best for a person with very good credit who can secure a low interest rate through this most traditional lending source.

    • A dealer loan is best for a person with fair credit and a high income. If you have a high income, you can opt for a short loan with high monthly payments. This means you will not have to be as concerned with your loan terms and can capitalize on a very low interest rate.

    • An alternative loan is best for a person who cannot otherwise find a car loan and is purchasing a less expensive vehicle.
     
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    This is how I've handled auto loans for many years, once I have the deal made I let the dealership use their financial lender because it is quicker than jacking around with them and Im ready to get out of the dealership. Generally the next day unless its a weekend or holiday I call my credit union which is always cheaper than the banks and always better interest than the dealership financing and have them pay off the loan on the vehicle and refinance with them. Only time I didn't do this was in 2015 when I bought a new Ram 1500 and chrysler credit had zero percent interest so I went with chrysler. Works great for me !
     
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    My take is let the manufacturers charge the higher price if that is what the market will bear. It keeps those with expendible cash intending to scalp/flip the cars from buying up the cars. This makes the cars unobtainium for many people.

    The higher manufacturers’ prices will keep the cars on the market for the end user buyer to obtain. I don’t like the higher prices any more than anyone else. However, at least the cars will be there.

    Anyone involved in the shooting sports has seen this during the pandemic and 8 years earlier during the Obama antigun rants. During the pandemic rush the manufacturers raised the prices and that kept the scalpers at bay. I applaud it. Don’t like it but the items are obtainable. I would rather pay the maker of a product than some scalper only buying it to flip it. Flipping was the root cause of the housing bubble burst in the early 2000’s

    Now for the tough nut to swallow…it is the buying public causing this by paying those earlier scalper (scalping dealer) asking prices. Sorry, wiling buyers raise prices.