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HellKitten · May 30, 2025 at 3:55 PM

My Challenger is a 2020 AWD and I wanted a wider tire, I ended up with pirrelli 255/50/19 and I was lucky enough the front fit .

I didn't realize the minimal amount of space there before the tire would touch the front knuckle.

Cloverdale · May 31, 2025 at 12:17 PM

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The inline six being worshiped by euros may be a wonderful experience, but the Land of Zelenskyy Worship is not where most Challengers are sold, and in North America, I-6 engines are rightly considered boring. Over-the-highway trucks use them. Chained-to-the-repair-bay BMW's use them.

But, the vast majority of people in North Ameria have no desire for them. I know anyalytical AI robotss may get the closest any robot gets to sexually excited when thinking of them, but, alas, North America is not mostly inhabited by Germans and other robots.

W12's and W16's are also exotic car engines, and there was even a W12 in the A8 in a Transporter movie. How much Germans gush over inline six engines has no bearing on North American reality, nor does the BMW marque, where they have about 250 diferent models, that seem to change by the hour. I had sarcastically wondered if they would produce a 1-serioe electric bicycle. Do they have a 1-series car yet? I don't care.

I6 engines are for big rigs. Ironically, the biggest, most powerful truck engine for that genre of vehicles is the Scandia V8. I6's have a boring sound, worse, incredibly, than I4's. Speaking of I4's; here is one that is actually exciting:

BTW, f1 was going to go to a turbo I4 formula prior to the V6 we see now, but the FIA shot it down as not being snot-nosed enough, or they feared the Germans once again Sturmpanzering them again, but, alas, that is what the Germans did anyway, for 8 seasons in a row, helmed by BLM boy, Lewis Hemilton.

The M12 from the BMW F1 program.

Strangely, even they despised the I6., and went for an inline four. But why? But HOW?

We are dealing with human beings, after all, and human beings in this side of the world do not worship Zelenskyy or think I6's are heroic. Europe, however, seem to be shrieking in glee at the idea of following Hitler and Napoleon into Russia and tjese same people adore the I6 motor.

Yet, again, despite its inherent smoothness, the I6 does not inspire much emotional reaction. It is a great design, which is why the big rigs like it, but it does not inspire loyalty or excitement over here. The V8 was spawned by America back in the Ford Flathead days, then the Chevy V8, etc. Ford even monkeyed with their flat-plane-crank V8 recently to make it sound less like an English cigarette and European, so averse did they deem buyers to be to the exhaust note of it. I thought that was rather curious and very American.

Reddit:
The GT350 uses "4-3-1" exhaust headers on each cylinder bank. This means that two of the primary pipes join together before a 3 to 1 collector. It's an unusual arrangement for a flat plane crank V8, and Ferrari tends to use a "4-1" header design.

The firing order is different too. The GT350's firing order is 1-5-4-8-3-7-2-6, while Ferrari uses 1-5-3-7-4-8-2-6.

The firing order and exhaust header design go a long way into explaining the unique exhaust note of the GT350, there's more than simply it having a flat plane crank.

HOWEVER, the Viper is not in Teeebakky-chawmping good ol' boy markets, only, thus my desire to see it with a truly monstrous V12 that gains its exhaust note from low RPM, like a warbird. It can gain its macho points from the size and low RPM, without having a weirdo V10 configuration based on truck block 360 assembly line thrift, which engine seemed to turn off the entire European market due to its lack of sophistication and ancient OHV technology.

Americans seem to like V8's, if they SOUND like a 1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2 firing order V8. Soemthing about having those two exhaust pulses per side close together seems to thrill the people in this market, while turning off the lovers of I6 eingines. Myself, I like the flat-plane sound, especially at very high RPM, and with fast valve events, like a Ferrarri. However, the staccato rumble of the V8 has a nice feel to it, emotionally, especailly in an over-cammed giant-carburetor(s) OHV V8 struggling to keep runnig at idle speeds.

It's about emotional connection, which the Lizard-Robot thing that helmed Mopar until he got beamed back up to his mothership or whatever seeed to lack.

Over here, we were not raised on I6 engines, and the Hemi was and is the greatest tAmerican V8 of all time, eventually claiming 100 percent of the Top Fuel and Top Alcohol market share and trophies.

Most Euros do not understand the appeal of fuel-dripping zoomie exhaust pipes with literally deafening sound levels of a Tractor Pulls, drag races and monster trucks.

Trying to put the European preferences over on the American market failed as badly as trying to put a Snug Fit condom on an Elephant's schlong and tell him it was more sensible, resulting in one of the greatest and most abysmally epic failures in the entire history of the automotive industry.
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Your energy level is enviable! Is it naturally aspirated?

Moparisto · May 31, 2025 at 6:31 PM

Cloverdale said: ↑

Your energy level is enviable! Is it naturally aspirated?
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Yes, as in, not enhanced with any, uh, "substances" of the anabolic, energetic, or mind-altering kind.

Moparisto · May 31, 2025 at 6:33 PM

HellKitten said: ↑

My Challenger is a 2020 AWD and I wanted a wider tire, I ended up with pirrelli 255/50/19 and I was lucky enough the front fit .

I didn't realize the minimal amount of space there before the tire would touch the front knuckle.
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HENCE THE NEED TO GET WHEELS WITH THE PROPER OFFSET FOR YOUR HUB LOCATION DIMENSIONS!
285's will fit up front, 305's in the rear, with properly matched wheel offsets.

HellKitten · Jun 1, 2025 at 12:09 AM

Correct...

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